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Never Mind the Reds
The Ultimate Nottingham Forest Quiz Book
By Richard Harrison
The History PressCopyright © 2016 Richard Harrison
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'Through the seasons before us'
Forest are recognised as the third oldest English professional football club, though it is arguably the second oldest, as Stoke City (who usually claim this accolade) were the result of a merger and a renaming, rather than having an unbroken existence as one club. From the beginning, the Reds were at the forefront of numerous new developments as the sport gained in popularity. So, to kick us off, here are some facts about the club's pioneering days.
1 Notts County date back to 1862, but in which year were Forest founded, thus creating the world's oldest local rivalry in professional football?
2 Which hockey-like sport, still played to this day (mainly in Scotland and the north of England), did the club's founders play before giving this new-fangled football game a try?
3 Unsurprisingly, the decision to form a football club was taken in a pub, the hostelry in question being located on Shakespeare Street. What was the name of the pub at the time?
4 Why was the club named Nottingham Forest?
5 Who was the Reds' first ever captain? Pleasingly, during the club's 150th anniversary season, at least one supporter's shirt bore his name on the back.
6 Which legendary goal scorer, born in the year Forest were founded, also played for the city's cricket and rugby teams and wore walking shoes rather than football boots, which he believed impaired his speed?
7 In 1874, which Forest player cut down a pair of cricket pads to protect his legs and thus, wearing them outside his socks, invented the shin pad?
8 Which attacking formation, in common use from the late nineteenth century to the 1950s, was first promoted by the aforementioned inventor of shin pads?
9 What was used for the first time by a referee in a game between Forest and Sheffield Norfolk in 1878?
10 In 1878, we began our first ever FA-Cup campaign with a 3–1 win at Beeston Cricket Club. Who did we beat?
11 In 1885 Forest became the first English club to contest an FA Cup semi-final in Scotland when we travelled north for a replay after a 1–1 draw in Derby. Who were the opponents who beat us 3–0 in Edinburgh?CHAPTER 2
'Down through history'
Forest continued to play a prominent role in the game and by the end of the nineteenth century the Reds had earned both League and Cup honours. The pioneering spirit continued into the new century, with records set that remain to this day and the club's influence even spreading overseas.
1 Which team, whose founders in 1886 included former Forest players Fred Beardsley and Morris Bates, was originally known as Dial Square and wear red to this day thanks to a gift from Forest of a set of kit and a ball?
2 What were used for the first time in a representative game between the North and the South at Forest's Town Ground in 1891?
3 On 17 January 1891, Sandy Higgins was initially declared unfit to play, but went on to score five times (the only instance of a Forest player doing so) in what is still the FA Cup's biggest ever away win. Who did we beat and by what score?
4 Which competition did Forest play in for three years, becoming its third and final champions in 1892 before its clubs were welcomed into an expanded Football League?
5 In Forest's debut Football League season, 1892/93, who were our first opponents and who were the first team we beat?
6 Having previously reached the FA Cup semi-finals four times, Forest finally reached the final for the first time in 1898. Where was the game against Derby County played?
7 Who scored Forest's goals in the 3–1 win?
8 What was unusual about the official pre-match team photo, in which Forest posed with the trophy?
9 As one of the first football teams to tour abroad, Forest beat eight local teams (scoring 57 goals and conceding only 4) in which two countries in 1905?
10 Which prominent team in one of those countries changed its colours from blue and white to red in honour of the Reds?
11 Forest achieved the joint biggest home win in top-flight history on 21 April 1909, though it transpired the opponents' lethargy may have been due in part to their enthusiastic celebrations at a team-mate's wedding in the run-up to the match. Who were those opponents and what was the score?CHAPTER 3
'We will follow the Forest'
More silverware was soon followed by Forest's longest spell out of the top flight, but, then as now, things were seldom dull. Times were often hard, with the Reds struggling for form on the pitch and for survival off it. This is probably the least-known period of Forest's history, so don't be surprised if some of these questions catch you out.
1 The outbreak of the First World War in 1914 left many clubs in a precarious financial position. How much money did the Football League grant to help keep Forest going in 1915?
2 In 1919, Midlands/Yorkshire regional league winners Forest won a two-legged final against the Lancashire regional league winners to win the so-called Victory Shield. Who did we beat 1–0 on aggregate to become the English champions, thanks to Noah Burton's goal in the away leg?
3 In 1920/21, hard-up Forest sold the ground rights for a home FA Cup 3rd-round tie for £1,500. The game was drawn 1–1 and the replay was also played on the opponents' ground. Who were those opponents, who beat us 2–0 at the second attempt?
4 What was unusual about the penalty winger Harry Martin scored to equalise for Forest against Bolton Wanderers on Boxing Day 1924?
5 Which centre-half joined Forest for £50 from Consett Celtic in 1927 and went on to gain two England caps despite playing in Division 2 throughout a Forest career that took in almost 400 appearances and many years' service in various capacities after he finished playing?
6 In March 1931 Forest played a representative national eleven for the first time – and beat them 3–1 in their own backyard. Which country did the defeated eleven represent?
7 In the 1930s, consideration was given to hosting which other sport at the City Ground as a means of fundraising? A promoter offered the club a guaranteed return, but supporters protested and the FA rejected the idea.
8 In March 1934, Forest's Jimmy Barrington did something in the 4–2 defeat at Bury that a young David Beckham would become famous for in August 1996 – what?
9 In 1937/38, we avoided relegation from Division 2 by two thousandths of a goal, sending down the team we visited on the final day in the process. We drew 2–2, equalising five minutes from time, after which our opponents hit the bar. Who were the unfortunate team to go down that day?
10 Which team were Forest travelling to play in September 1939, only to turn back on hearing that war had been declared on the eve of the game?
11 Forest spent the princely sum of £75 to repair damage caused in May 1941 to the City Ground pitch by what?CHAPTER 4
'On to victory'
After the difficult years between the wars, the good times finally returned under Billy Walker. Our longest-serving manager took us from a brief sojourn in the third tier to winning the FA Cup as an established Division 1 team. He should surely be the next Forest legend to have a stand named after him.
1 Forest stormed to the Division 3 (S) title in 1950/51, losing only six of our forty-six games (five of them by a single goal) and setting several records on the way. Which divisional record for points and club records for total and individual goals scored did we set, and who was responsible for the latter?
2 In 1951, a Christmas Day crowd of 61,062 (the biggest ever for a Forest League match outside the top flight) saw the Reds draw 1–1 away, with the crowd for the 2–1 home win on Boxing Day taking the total attendance over the two days to more than 100,000. Who were our opponents?
3 In 1956/57, Forest were promoted back to Division 1 after an absence of thirty-two years. What was our biggest winning margin of the season, achieved on successive Saturdays in February at Port Vale and at home to Barnsley?
4 Our worst result that season was a 4–0 thrashing at home by Middlesbrough. Which striker, described in the programme as 'definitely one to keep an eye on for the future', scored a hat-trick and who was the Boro goalkeeper?
5 We won 4–0 away ourselves in the penultimate game of the season to clinch promotion in second place behind Leicester City. Who did we beat?
6 The biggest crowd ever to watch a Forest League game was 66,346 at Old Trafford in February 1958. What was the significance of that match that made so many people want to see it?
7 When Forest won the FA Cup in 1958/59, which non-League team gave us an almighty scare in the 3rd round, taking a 2-goal lead before we scraped a draw, thanks to an own-goal and a penalty?
8 Roy Dwight was one of our scorers in the 2–1 win in the final against a Luton Town side including future Forest manager Allan Brown. Dwight was later carried off with a broken leg and, with no substitutes in those days, his ten team-mates held out heroically for over an hour to win the trophy. Who was our other scorer?
9 Every team that wins a cup at Wembley now does it after the game, but in 1959 Forest were the first team to do it – what?
10 Forest's Cup-winning captain Jack Burkitt and manager Billy Walker were both born in which small West Midlands market town?
11 As a result of winning the Cup, Forest played a two-legged friendly against the winners of the Scottish FA Cup early the following season. We lost 3–2 at home and drew 2–2 away against which team?CHAPTER 5
'Nottingham, Nottingham, Nottingham'
Nottingham – England's City of Football and City of Sport – can boast the world's oldest professional football derby match, even if the rivalry between Notts County and Forest has tended to be rather one-sided for more than half a century. Notts fans hate Forest with a passion, but in modern times at least Forest supporters have saved their fiercest enmity for the other County at the far end of Brian Clough Way and tend to look on Notts as a less successful sibling. You'll hear cheers at the City Ground if it's announced that Notts are winning their match. The reverse seldom applies.
1 Forest's first recorded game was a friendly against Notts on 22 March 1866, which thus created the sport's longest-standing derby match. The result is variously recorded as a goalless draw and a 1–0 win for Forest. So confident of victory were County that they were content for Forest to have a numerical advantage. How many players did we have to Notts' eleven?
2 Which venue was at different times the permanent home ground of both County and Forest?
3 Which was the only season (it feels a little superfluous to add 'to date') in which both Nottingham teams finished in the country's top ten?
4 The Nottingham derby at the City Ground on 27 March 1909 saw brothers Jim and Albert play in goal for the Reds and the Magpies respectively. What was their surname?
5 Which author and playwright wrote about a Forest–County match in English Journey, in which he describes a tour of the country he made in 1933?
6 Forest have played seven 'home' games at Meadow Lane – one in 1946 when the City Ground was flooded and six in 1968 after the Main Stand fire. How many of those games did we win?
7 What was the last season in which County played in a higher division than Forest?
8 Which was the last season in which County finished above Forest in the League?
9 Which short-lived fanzine adapted the name of an Alan Sillitoe novel and covered both Nottingham teams?
10 In the last competitive match between the teams in 2011, who wellied home a dramatic equaliser in the last minute of extra time to take the League Cup tie to a penalty shoot-out, which the Reds won 4–3?
11 Which Forest player donated £500 to the Magpies' survival fund in 2003?CHAPTER 6
'We're second in the League'
... and we should be at the top! In 1966/67, Johnny Carey's exciting Forest team had a genuine chance of winning the League championship and FA Cup 'double', a feat which had then only been achieved three times (and only once in the twentieth century). In the end, the Reds finished second in Division 1 to the Manchester United team of Best, Law, Charlton and co., and reached the semi-final of the FA Cup. For a provincial team with relatively modest resources to come so close was remarkable, so here's a whole round on what is still one of the best-loved teams in Forest's history.
1 Which trainer/coach joined Forest at the start of the season and, arguably, played the motivational 'nasty cop' to manager Johnny Carey's thoughtful 'nice cop'?
2 Which senior player handed over the captaincy to Terry Hennessey at the start of the season but was still an ever-present in all tournaments?
3 Which team visited the City Ground on the opening day of the season and became the only away team to win on Trentside all season?
4 Which squad player scored a hat-trick in the 4–1 thrashing of eventual champions Manchester United in October 1966?
5 The three games it took to settle Forest's FA Cup 5th Round tie drew a total attendance of more than 126,000. Remarkably, our opponents were a 3rd Division club – which one?
6 A Forest team of manager Johnny Carey, celebrity supporter Ted Moult and players John Barnwell and Bobby McKinlay played Arsenal in the first ever episode of which TV sport and general knowledge quiz that season?
7 Which Everton defender's reportedly premeditated challenge on Joe Baker early in the FA Cup 6th round tie ended the Forest striker's season and, arguably, cost the Reds a trophy?
8 In that epic 3–2 win against Everton, who set up all three of hat-trick hero Ian Storey-Moore's goals (including a dramatic last-minute winner, headed home at the fourth attempt)?
9 Who scored Forest's goal in the 2–1 defeat to Tottenham in the FA Cup semi-final at Hillsborough?
10 Forest's highest attendances of the season were 47,510 for the Everton FA Cup tie and 47,188 for the League win against Leicester City. How many attendances of more than 40,000 did Forest attract to the City Ground over the course of the season?
11 Terry Hennessey came third in the voting for which award?CHAPTER 7
'Off! Off! Off!'
Contrary to the media stereotype, Forest had a reputation for fine football and sportsmanship long before Brian Clough came along. The downside of this ethos is that often the team has seemed to lack toughness and be overrun by more physical opponents. While enjoying the traditional Forest passing game, fans on Trentside always like a player who gets stuck in. Sometimes, though, an aggressive approach can go too far ...
1 Forest's longstanding reputation for fair play was exemplified by an unusually long period without a player being sent off. How many years were there between George Pritty's dismissal against Millwall and Sammy Chapman getting his marching orders against Leeds United?
2 Forest had six players sent off in League matches in the 1970s – and one player was dismissed on no fewer than three of those occasions – who?
3 His fearsome tackling and 'Psycho' nickname notwithstanding, how many times was Stuart Pearce sent off in his twelve years as a Forest player?
4 In March 1994 which Forest striker, returning from a two-month injury absence against Bolton Wanderers, scored what turned out to be the winner and was sent off for an elbowing offence, all within half an hour of coming on as a substitute?
5 Forest had nine players dismissed in League matches in 1999/2000. One of those nine was the Reds' player-manager – who was he?
6 Against which team did Forest have five players sent off between September 1999 and March 2001?
7 Who is Forest's most dismissed player ever? (No, it isn't the answer to question 2 ...)
8 Who were Forest visiting in August 2001 when we had both Stern John and Matthieu Louis-Jean sent off, yet still managed to hold out for a 0–0 draw?
9 Which key Forest defender was harshly dismissed in the first leg of the Division 1 play-off semi-final against Sheffield United in 2003 and thus missed the second leg, which the Reds lost after conceding 4 goals for the only time that season?
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Table of Contents
ContentsForeword by John McGovern,
Round 1 'Through the seasons before us',
Round 2 'Down through history',
Round 3 'We will follow the Forest',
Round 4 'On to victory',
Round 5 'Nottingham, Nottingham, Nottingham',
Round 6 'We're second in the League',
Round 7 'Off! Off! Off!',
Round 8 'We're going to Grimsby',
Round 9 'Brian Clough and Peter Taylor!',
Round 10 'And now you're gonna believe us',
Round 11 'You what?',
Round 12 'The best damn team in the land',
Round 13 'Running round Wembley with the Cup',
Round 14 'We've won the Cup twice!',
Round 15 'We'll support you ever more!',
Round 16 'To Europe, to Europe',
Round 17 'He's gonna cry in a minute',
Round 18 'Psycho, Psycho, Psycho!',
Round 19 'He's one of our own',
Round 20 'He scores when he wants',
Round 21 'You what? You what?',
Round 22 'He gets the ball; he scores a goal',
Round 23 'Nottingham Forest are magic',
Round 24 'We're by far the greatest team',
Round 25 'I was born under a Trent End goal',
Round 26 'Shall we sing a song for you?',
Round 27 'You'll never sing this',
Round 28 'Oh mist rolling in from the Trent',
Round 29 'Who are ya? Who are ya?',
Round 30 'You what? You what? You what, you what, you what?',